Taking on uncharted waters is exactly what Carol Hammerle and Jan Pum did in Phoenix athletics. Coach Hammerle and Coach Pum were selected to lead the Women’s athletic program after the passing of Title IX. Coach Hammerle was hired to lead Women’s basketball and Coach Pum was hired to lead Women’s tennis. Their hard work and dedication to Phoenix Women’s athletics is why our Women’s sports programs are distinguished from other schools in the University of Wisconsin system. After ending their successful careers with Phoenix athletics, Carol and Jan were interviewed by University of Wisconsin-Green Bay Oral History Committee member Jane Rank. Both women were asked questions about their experiences while working at the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay.